This is just unbelievable- there's press conference going on right now at which the service heads for London Transport are involved (underground, buses, fire service, ambulance service and police). During the Q&A session DAC Brian Paddick of the Metropolitan Police was asked about Islamic terrorists being responsible for the coordinated bomb attack which has left at least 33 dead. His reply-
"As far as I am concerned, 'Islamic' and 'terrorism' do not go together."
This dhimmi behaviour is completely ridiculous at a time like this. Especially since every time some sort of communique is released from an Islamic terrorist group they inevitably cite Allah and the Koran. Religion is, of course, what it's all about.
Perhaps we shouldn't be too surprised by this though- this police officer has probably gone through months of "sensitivity training" regarding good relations with the Muslim community.
Note- will try to update with a full quote when a transcript becomes available. The conference is currently still ongoing.
20 comments:
We should make it clear that theey are waging a religious war against us even though we are not waging a religious war agains them.
By clarifying the issue, ir forces Muslims to come clean about which side they come down on - jihad against the rest of the world, or peaceful co-existence.
Really makes you sick, the people know that they are bullshitting us and have contempt for their lack of honesty.
He of course is saying this to prevent reprisals against Muslims, but it makes not one iota of difference, we know who it is. Does that mean I walk across the street and fire bomb my Muslim neighbours house when they are asleep, no way, we are better than that. The elites should stop treating the people like ignorant pratts, we are not, we know that Islam = terrorism, but not all Muslims are terrorists and we expect our police and our security services to do what is necessary.
We respect the rule of law and there will be no mob rule from us, do they respect the people of Great Britain so little with this comment
Hi, I am not one for talk, just letting you know that i am in full agreement with all that you have mentioned about the Muslims and Islam. http://Dorcas.com/tblog
They must sell a lot of Kool Aid to the London police force. It takes a lot of sugar to give them the energy to shovel all that horse manure.
Unfortunately this will continue until the Western Democracies agree that the line has been crossed. Then the dogs of war will be freed, the missiles will rise, and the Middle East will cease to exist. Millions will be killed. Religious Zealots! Makes you sick!
One big thing is amiss here. The Koran, The Bible, Torah and all other spiritual documents are manuals for spiritual assencion. To take the wording litterly and use these documents as justification for violence and murder is huge problem that has been with us for several thousand years. However there are less of the war mongers among us today than there was one thousand years ago.
It is our responsibility also as pointed out that we know and feel that retaliation is not the answer. Everybody has the right to opinion, just not the right to by force make others follow your opinion.
What's the answer? In our heart we must forgive unconditionally. On the exterior we must make people accountable for there actions. It's a difficult path to follow.
My heartfelt prayers and condolences go out to the people of Britian, especially the victims and their families.
As a member of the United States military, I want to thank the people of England for their assistance and sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan. I know that not all Britians support the effort and I respect that.
I hope that England will not follow the path of Spain after their horrific terrorist attack.
If anything, we all must be firm in our resolve to oppose those who perpetrate such cowardly and evil acts.
The West must be told the truth that this is not a war against terrorism but a war of ideologies. It is the Fourth World War. The third ended when the Soviet Union collapsed.
The ideology we fight against is the Islamic idea that the entire world should be muslim and ruled by the Caliphate, guided by Sharia. Those who believe that if the Palestinian-Isreal issue is resolved and if the West capitulates to the muslim world i.e. allows Turkey in to the EU and Iran into the WTO, then this will all go away. They are sorely mistaken.
What communism was to the 20th Century Islamism is to the 21st Century.
To defeat an ideology, you need an ideology that is superior. The West has it that with democracy, individual freedom, and liberty.
The experiment that is going on in Iraq and Afghanistan must not fail. Bin laden and his like know this which is why terrorist acts like this will continue, to weaken the will of the people, to capitulate further and ultimately weaken the economies of the West and the United States so that the Islamic world will be in a position to conquer and subject the world to Sharia and Islamic dominance.
Muslims will voice their objection and consternation to acts of terrorism but if you dig deeper, they do not object to the idea behind it because they believe the Islamic system to be superior and it's dominance is ordained by Allah.
Bin laden and those who subscibe to a return to the caliphate and islamic domination want a war between the muslim world and the West. No doubt there are those in the muslim community who knew of this but chose not to report it; you don't do anything against the ummah.
It would be best for practical and moral reasons for non-muslim not to vent their anger against muslims.
Muslims need to come forward with information as to who perpetrated these acts. It would facilitate further cooperation and trust for muslim religious leaders to explain why violent passages in the Qur'an cannot be used to justify such actions.
The Muslim Council of Britian should renounce the Islamic concept of dhimmitude and world domination under Sharia and the Caliphate.
Interestingly, the new president of Iran has stated the he wants to work towards world domination by Islam.
The Islamic world asks for concrete actions by the West to show it is not at war with Islam. What is the Islamic world offering?
I'm sorry but i think all religions are dangerous. Making people believe in fairytales like god or allah is fine so long as they keep their ideas to themselves, but most of these religions preach spreading the gospel. Islam just seems to be the most brazen and outwardly barbaric religion, not just with it's obsessed nutcase lunatics that like to kill innocent people but the way women get treated in their culture is shameful, but christians catholics etc are not a lot better either. I just wish everyone could co-exist peacefully and forget about this mythical entity that you only get to meet after your dead (but you can still give us money to spread his word when you're alive).
it is not war of Islamic ideology againt just west alone but the whole world...it is war of ideologies of lincoln,gandhi against osama-zarqavi.. liberty and democracy vs jihad and caliphite.
democracy will prevail.
A line has indeed been crossed. People should wake up to the danger of Islam . We are digging our own grave with political correctness. We should gleefully kill all jihadists starting with those at Gitmo!
... i really shouldn't have the words nor the time but i just thought i'd drop a line to say that all organised religion can be construed to be as deranged as some of you dorks seem to think only islam can be! There is an equally dumb book called the Bible IIRC.
Burn all the flags of all nations and have done with it!
Let the politicians and the CEOs and the fanatics on all sides fight it out between themselves and let the poor sit down for a change.
I am a Londoner, i was born here and my father is a muslim. I drink (and up until a couple of months ago i smoked), and by way of a parting shot to those that think that bombing iraq rather than catching bin laden was a hot idea i rather think i'm inclinded to wave my dangly bits your faces. Any body care to tell the religion of Charles Mason? [i'm fed up with editing this drivel ... so here it is]
Check your heads! I got a few lines you can cross yourselves...
http://news.independent.co.uk/
uk/politics/article298297.ece
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/
index.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10335207
http://www.islam-online.net/
English/News/2005-07/10/article03.shtml
Rahid- I am totally behind any effort like this, or the campaign being carried out by the Free Muslims Against Terror. However, to combat so-called "radical" Islam moderates are going to have to do so theologically- that is, by reference to the Koran and other Islamic texts. How can this be done when you have passages like this-
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
If a Muslim leader can refute teachings like this- by further reference to the Koran- I'm all for it. It just doesn't seem to be possible to square the statement that Islam is a religion of peace with the actual teachings of the Koran.
Look i don't even read the Koran but i can google...
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:uw67_Qel5ZMJ:
www.omnivore.org/jon/orwell/2003/Terror_pomo/terror_pomo.htm+
%22battles+in+the+koran%22&hl=en&start=2&client=firefox-a
That passage refers to a particular time and place and a record of things long gone and can frankly only be construed to be any kind of blueprint by morons. I suggest you mention this next time you meet one.
"When Islam began [in the seventh century], Mohammed's forces were weak," Yigal Carmon, president of the Middle East Media Research Institute, told the ICT. "The Islamic religious ethos of martyrdom developed in direct response to this weakness. The willingness to die was required to fight against the larger forces of the Christian and Persian empires. To this day, the historical battles [in the Koran] emphasized by extremists are the ones in which small Muslim forces beat large [infidel] forces. This is what they are trying to recreate today. They try to cast America as the modern-day Byzantine empire."
Exactly- "martyrdom operations" are still today carried out against a large enemy- by Palestinians against the state of Israel or by Al Qaeda against America. This precise justification has been used many times to defend the practice of Palestinians strapping explosives to themselves and then killing innocent civilians.
Saying that these texts refer to a long time ago is no argument at all- Isn't the Koran the literal word of God?
Qur’an 8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
The above quote isn't about a time and a place- it's a direct "commandment" that fighting must continue until all submit to Islam.
Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an 9:28 “Believers, truly the pagan disbelievers are unclean.”
Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.”
Qur'an 5.33 The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement.
This is what the Koran says. That's the basis of the religion or do all of these passages refer to a particular time and place? If so, then why doesn't the Muslim religion bin the Koran altogether and write a new book?
(you could hear this coming from a mile off, but here we are...)
Ok Jay, let me put it this way:
a + b + c = d
a)You're from Ireland.
b) I'm from London, and have been here since birth in 1960 - so this is my entire world.
c)The IRA blew bits out of the town i live in throughout the 60s to the 80s.
d)I buy a bargain priced plane ticket courtesy of Mr O'leary at Ryan Air and come over and put a stream of bullets though your entire "IRA loving scum" family? (phrase in quotes for dramatic effect)
If i did so you'd say i was being less than discerning or a crazy indiscriminate M.F with a fixation on air miles and firearms to say the least.
But hey it's your blog and i was only here coz my mates were not up for badminton on sunday and i got bored with coming across the kind of shit that "Anonymous 5:55 pm" and "Anonymous 9:58 am" said.
(if you're EVER over drop me a line - beers on me)
Rahid-
a) I'm British- people from the Republic of Ireland are Irish, up here- we're British.
b) We've been targets of much more IRA terrorism than mainland Britain.
c) I've never once called for the indiscriminate slaughter of Muslims- I take it that was your point.
d) Anon 5:55pm said-"They must sell a lot of Kool Aid to the London police force. It takes a lot of sugar to give them the energy to shovel all that horse manure."- Actually I agree, as his point was made about Islam and terrorism not going together. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslims.
e) I don't agree with Anon 9:58am but I haven't yet felt the need to begin editing comments on this site. However, the question raised by his statement is- is there any other way to deal with jihadis other than to kill or imprison them? There is no way we can negotiate with them as their ultimate aim seems to be the destruction of Western society and the implementation of Sharia law. What alternatives do they offer us?
My beef is with Islamic terrorism- and it is these terrorist groups which define themselves as such. The language of the terorrists is religious- it's a Holy War against the Crusaders, infidels, Allah, martyrs, jihad. This is how they define themselves and Zarqawi, for example, used religious justification for killing Muslims in Iraq as part of his campaign.
My issues with the Islamic religion stem from the lack of protest against terrorism, the apparent widespread support for such terrorism and the language of the religion which promotes terrorism and the warlike expansion of Islam and subjugation of non-Muslims.
A link about a book i saw the poster for on friday while i was waiting for a train into town (i thought it so odd and jarringly inappropriate that i never took a pic of it while standing there).
http://www.chriscleave.com/
There is also mention of the 2 mins silence to be held on thurs if you're interested.
Later,
~R
(yeah i know on keep posting in this thread, it's a sort of aid memoir for me at the mo)
Rahid-
Apparently the author is asking for advice on whether or not to continue publicising the book.
Interested to know your take on the fact that it was British suicide bombers who carried out the London attacks?
Heh, yeah that bOINGbOING link is where i got the follow up info from in the first place. Was trying not to be so obvious. It is an interesting dilemma about whether to publish of not... if he does is he cashing in and being insensitive? If he does not, well that's a waste of a couple of years of his life...
My take on the bombers, for what it's worth to you, is that it saddens, upsets, and bores me (yes bores me) that there are people that think the somewhere within the spectrum of being a Muslim there is a freestanding provable axiom that allows blowing the un-holy hell out of total strangers. Any religion that does that is a sham.
This is in the same manner that it saddens, upsets and bores me that there are NF (ie. BMP) members that think they represent what it means to be English.
Somewhere out there in the vast expanses of space these is a good chance of other forms of life and we can't even get on with our own flesh and blood. We are fucked.
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